someone make a dynamite thread

Got you Rez!

Holy shit @ those slik. Thanks for sharing.

I bet if Kenny Omega came on the screen there would have been cheers, joyful weeping and maybe some sexual fluids left on the cinema floors for staff to clean up. But they totally understand because it’s Kenny Omega.

Again, spot on. It was more the “ask anyone on the street” part I was commenting on tbf.

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GIMMIE A HELL YEAH!

This sounds like our friend Mark. Someone check his Twitter.

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To be fair, anyone can slip. But the stuff he means to do is what’s ridiculous. He traded a potted plant for an eyepatch.

Sometimes I listen to Dave Meltzer clips like I enjoy popping a pimple. Meltzer and Alvarez were going after the MJF/Regal segment hard.

You can feel Chris Jericho’s machinations behind it. Meltzer shaking his head about how MJF needs to turn babyface. It didn’t make sense. You know — as opposed to literally anything else on that show that gets a pass on that. They really zeroed in on it being MJF’s fault and didn’t turn blame at, I dunno — Tony Khan? The booker?

It’s eerie how much Bryan Danielson in AEW is reminding me of Bret Hart in WCW. It took WCW about 15 months to run a Nitro in Canada after Bret’s arrival. AEW are going to be running Seattle about 16 months after Danielson’s debut.

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Larry with two less teeth. Fascinating!

Punk COULD have lied about his dog losing its teeth, but that would have been pretty fucking stupid. He COULD lie about the cause of that. But if the guy thinks it stemmed from The Elite barging into his locker room thinking they’re hot shit (likely), then I’m sure it’s in the report. What’s amazing are the dirt sheets confused as to why it’s not out there. The Elite are the ones spreading gossip. Punk spoke to Hausman and that’s about it.

Punk is many things, but I don’t know if dishonest is something that has ever been associated with him too heavily. If anything, brutal honesty and an inability to keep his mouth shut with his opinions seems more on the button. It seems weird to me that he would lie about that and that he wouldn’t drop it in the report even if it were a lie.

I just know it's Chris Jerichos fault that the dog lost its teeth.

I'm really intrigued by the Regal story. I can't imagine him taking off early and somoene like Danielson sticking around, maybe I'm wrong.

Wow, mass exodus from AEW.

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Young guys who don’t improve because they aren’t prepared to listen to older guys. It’s literally how wrestling is passed on. It was always about respect for veterans and what they could teach you about working a crowd and making every movement mean something.

These guys will have the same match forever, because for some reason, they already seem to think they know it all. Really sub-par selling, reactions and psychology in their matches. If the rumors are true and someone as skilled at that side of the business as Regal has also found them immature, they have a serious problem.

It’s their playpen and it will never grow.

I sympathize that these guys need to have that cocky attitude or they wouldn't be where they are. But IMO that group of workers--while having done well to get where they are and make the money they're making--seems to have hit their ceilings. Listening to the Punks and the Regals, even if the advice felt condescending and dismissive of their accomplishments, would help. Still, in their shoes, I could see it being a tough pill to swallow...they think they're the veterans and this is their turf, so why are veterans coming in and telling them what to do?

So what I’m hearing here is “Punk was right”.

It's definitely what I'm hearing lol but who the eff knows at this point.

No, Regal was right. Punk is irrelevant.

Veterans “working with fucking children” and having their advice scoffed at seem to be recurring themes. Lol

In all fairness to what you're meaning is, Mox was at least trying to sell the kayfabe eye injury. He wasn't half-blind in the US and miraculously healed in Japan just to be "injured" again on AEW TV a week later.

It was stupid that the eyepatch had blatant holes in it so he could see, but not the point of him not carrying around "Mitch" or seeing what progressively wacky vehicle he could show up to RAW in once every month.

RIP Mitch. You were a good plant.

Lol They’re not comparable at all.

Even for those who just don't like Punk... if you remove him from the equation, he is just one plot point in a long string of data that points to that same conclusion.

There was scoffing at vocal criticisms from: Cornette, Jim Ross, Arn Anderson, Taz (three of which, if you notice, actually WORK FOR THE COMPANY). Pretty sure there was other stuff from other people who I can't even think of at the moment. Didn't Mark Henry say something one time shortly after he arrived and get shut down? I wouldn't be surprised if this is part of the reason why Tully isn't there anymore.

Meanwhile, we get constantly treated to half-assed lucha, in-jokes, and spotty pushes. All from the folks who "already know what they're doing".

Oh please believe I don't like any of them. I just like Punk less and always have. I never liked him.

AEW has all these awesome vets around and it's still a shitshow imo. Clearly theres a failure in management and clearly its Tony CoKhaine. Everyone should have seen the writing on the wall by the time Cody left to go back to Vince.

WWE has been better the whole time, even at it's shittiest. AEW was just the new hotness.

Regal should return to wwe by driving the same ambulance he was taken away in on dynamite.

Straight from a local medical facility

This would be funnier if WWE didn't already break their "hospital" cherry on TV almost immediately after Vince was gone.

"derp derp derp derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp" - Seph

Bret Shart

I get it. You like boring, self absorbed snoozefests.

That's a you problem.

I guess you're right. I'm best internet pals with you after all.

I lost the vote in the super secret elite forum for who had to be your pity friend.

Dale furiously looking for the shortcut to the elite forum right now to see if that's true or not.

Shret Bart.

Cheeseburger Walrus

Regal leaving really doesn't surprise me at all. He's incredibly tight with Triple H and he's getting his old job back or likely something relatively close to it. And he'll get to work with his son again.

He's been on record many times as saying WWE effectively saved his life with all the operations and shit they paid for. Don't really see an issue here.

I think it’s more about the rumours that people weren’t listening to him, not so much that he’s leaving to his “home.”

I don't doubt that there's a maturity problem within AEW but I suspect Regal just said it to EC3 once in passing as part of another conversation "oh yeah, there's a bit of a maturity problem there" and EC3 took it to the sheets as the main reason he's leaving.

EC3 commenting on maturity issues at all is hilarious given he started an edgelord federation that immediately flopped.

Ec3 trying to control regals narrative

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is not entirely true. There are several of us, myself included, who spent multiple hours before TV working with Regal and learning from him. Should there have been more? Maybe, but he and Danielson always had a solid audience around the ring before TV.</p>&mdash; Brian Pillman Jr. (@FlyinBrianJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr/status/1599612782907125760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I know you said “some”, I just didn’t want the narrative to be that he was just standing there preaching to the air. Some days there would be 10 guys out there soaking it in, some days it would just be me and wheeler and Lee. I didn’t mind when his attention wasn’t spread as thin</p>&mdash; Brian Pillman Jr. (@FlyinBrianJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/FlyinBrianJr/status/1599614315010482176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 5, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pillman kind of telling the whole story here. Young lesser-known guys would give Regal his due. The other guys weren't interested. In fairness, they think they're main eventers and don't need the help. But it def wouldn't hurt for them to trust guys like Regal and Danielson when it comes to advice that I think they need.

Wait, this is all based on info from EC3? Lol

He could just be bitter because his friends found someone else to control their narrative while he’s left controlling his own. A sad situation. Won’t someone take pity and adopt that man’s narrative.

I'd be more inclined to extrapolate from what Pillman Junior said. Keep in mind--he said what he said in DEFENCE of AEW lol

This definitely would seem to track. There's literally footage of Regal and Danielson training Jade.

Plenty of people in the indies think they have nothing to learn, and that's unfortunate. Even if you are a competent hand and a good worker for the indy audience, you lose nothing by at least listening to a guy like Regal.

Even if you ultimately don't take his advice, shit, at least listen.

I hope it was more than just the same 10 people soaking up lessons every week. That’s like .00001% of the roster.

lol you'd think Danielson and Regal would have 15 to 20 regulars at least, given the size of the roster. That's me not even considering the Upper-ish card guys who think they're above it.

Those upper-ish card douchebags who think their cutting edge “art” is not to be tainted by some old farts probably have more pull with a lot of young wrestlers today, sadly. The Bucks giving lessons on how overrated selling is would probably draw a bigger crowd.

Man, I felt really close to saying “These kids today…”

AEW wrestlers on big deals:

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There’s a balance of course. I’d understand if it’s an old head like Tony Atlas who’s just some carny (and I’m a fan) telling them some bullshit old head advice. But Regal and Danielson are guys with legit respect and insights. Surely, even upper card talent have something to learn from them. Even Shawn Michaels looked up to and learned from Bret Hart before they fell out.

They have and have had folks like Tully, Arn, Billy Gunn, and other serious veterans who have made money in this business (and Jarrett, too). But there are folks who wear not listening to advice as some badge of honor. And they have Tony's ear.

What is it with these older wrestlers getting all bent out of shape when younger wrestlers don't want to hear their advice? It shot Punk into an absolute rage that guys who did it their own way didn't feel like they needed advice from a bitter failure at everything he ever did other than pro wrestling, which he quit for 7 years.

Now we are supposed to believe William Regal would be upset people who either did not want to go to NXT, or who were turned down by NXT, would not want his advice?

That would be like Fan pretending he is not in boiling tatters over me every time I post with his "new tactic" of not replying where everybody can see what a shattered fool he is, but then still giving himself away by shitting up my rep wall, even though he knows I have him blocked and would only see his obsessive wall rep comments when I feel like having a good laugh.

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Seriously, who are those comments for? You know you are blocked, are you arguing with yourself to pretend you are owning me? You are so weird, oh and in a constant state of... Shambles! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

When AEW started part of the appeal was that it was only 2 hours a week and 4 ppvs a year.

Now it has like 13 titles and a roster of 352 people and way more hours of programming.
TK has no idea what he's doing.

AEW is also spectacularly bad at following up on people when they get red hot.

So many go from being red hot to just sort of there, either from booking or not being booked on Dynamite - Hook, Wardlow, Dante Martin, Hobbs etc

Dalton Castle seemed like a really interesting person and wrestler but has he been on Dynamite again since his one match, nope

You have to follow up on people

I maintain that the "next big thing" (in quotes because wrestling will never be hot again) is a rassling fed that has a max 1 hour per week of show.... and that show will feature 0 wrestling on it, but just promos and segments to build up to their max 4 actual rassling shows a year.

I'm down for that (I'm sure I've agreed with you on this already), prefer my weekly rasslin shows to be an hour long

i miss NXTUK and hope NXT europe follows a similar format. it was a pretty perfect hour long weekly show.

Nostalgic for 1 hour NXT (US flavour).

I don't mind a 2 hour show if it's really good throughout. But even when Dynamite was really good each week it's tough to not have a lull at some point across 2 hours, even if it's a brief one.

Rampage, when AEW actually gave a shit about it, was a really enjoyable watch. 1 hour shows done well are sublime.

HHH making RAW really boring each while also getting rid of the cringey 'vince comedy' bits is actually a huge plus for WWE because I can have RAW on in the background and only have to pay attention to like 30 min of it a week

One issue with Dalton Castle is most of the same audience who watch AEW are people who were exposed to his gimmick years and years ago. I didn’t watch ROH during his run but just from seeking out clips, I’ve had my fill.

Guy’s a great performer though. They can definitely do something with him. I remember him having a campy gimmick where he was a sailor or something. Try that out.

wealthy yachtsman ashley remington

Yessss. Straight early/mid 90’s WWE shit.

i miss chikara

my fondest chikara memory was sitting right next to a kid that tommaso ciampa made cry big time, and the next show standing next to the kid's parents in line as we reminisced and laughed about their child bawling the show before. absolutely ruined wrestling for that kid lol.

They should bring him in to join Bray Wyatt’s stable. After Bray’s shrimp boat captain father “mysteriously” disappeared, he took over the business, made millions off of it and now sails the world on his yacht, occasionally handling business matters for Bray, whom he is indebted to for *wink* reasons.

Regal went from being in a place where talent were paid to learn to a place where wrestlers are paid not to.

AEW sources have called bullshit on William Regal allegedly feeling talent won’t take on board advice. “It’s not that we don’t listen to advice, it’s that we don’t hear it in the first place. Totally different thing.”

Lol so funny

This is 100% correct, wrestling in general has been shit at this for a long time now. Too scared to leap for some weird reason, possibly because it disrupts "the plan" somewhat.

Hook and Wardlow are the two really big misses to me and in different ways.

Still really enjoying AEW but they really do seem to have a "I won the title, now what" issue. Again often a larger industry issue but AEW do seem quite bad at it.

I would love to see titles reigns get a bit more chaotic. I understand there trying to create a lineage but lets have Penta win the World title out of the blue, He can lose it 3 weeks later after 2 banger defences.

lets have the TV title change hands 3 out of 5 weeks then build someone holding it in a hot division where anyone can win.

TK is really bad at booking champions and former champions. He’s also really bad at booking people he wants to build to championships.

I think there are a couple of belt marks in the company. I don’t think it’s a coincidence Adam Page gets salty when he finds out he is dropping the AEW Title to Punk and the bullying of Thunder Rosa intensified when she becomes champion.

Tony Khan on William Regal’s release: “It’s been a tough year on me. You’re not allowed to be mad at me. Yeah, he’s gone. My mother had two strokes.”

lol, Fightful confirmed that Miro has been healthy for months and the fact that he hasn't been seen in months really does just come down to creative having nothing for him. Miro is said to be wanting to be on TV, and is just be waiting to be given something to do.

Problem is, there is no creative. It's just one guy who happens to be a scatterbrain with a massive roster. There's enough out there now where it's clear Khan mostly relies on talent to tell him what they want to do and make pitches. So this is just another glaring example that the creative process there sucks and they need an actual creative department to try to help with some of this shit.

Should Miro be more proactive in making pitches besides just saying "put me on TV?" Given the way they're structured, yeah, probably. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the process itself is shit. It shouldn't take an Einstein to figure out how to use goddamn Miro. You could have him do practically anything.

I had hope that Tony would at least push the right guys as the 90s WCW/Goldberg mark that he is but that doesn’t seem to be happening now as much as it was. Miro should be a main attraction. That being said, just keeping him off TV if you’re not prepared to push him correctly is at least preferable to putting him on TV just to do it and having him job to 160 lb gymnasts.

What if it were 160 lb gymnasts with broken freakin necks?!

If they need time to get miro into a meaningful program, you could just have him go out every week and obliterate some underneath guy until you figure it out.

Is he even on Dark/Elevation? If you gotta keep him off main TV that bad without something for him then at least let him do the jobber squashes/tryout matches on YT so he doesn't get rusty and the people watching those shows get a bigger talent on their screens sometimes.

i haven't been watching but i don't think so. i think tk has just kept him on the shelf which is mind bogglingly stupid.

If hes healthy then him not being in the battle royals at least is dumb as shit. He doesn't have to win but he can show he's still a threat at any time that way.

I bet its something stupid like them not knowing what to do with another big ole sweaty meat mountain when Wardlow and Joe are already filling that niche.

And Hobbs

Who they are also misusing

I havent been paying as much attention, is he getting the murder machine treatment too finally?

nvm Ill take that second post as a no

i think they started some vignette sort of thing for him this week? or maybe it starts next week? i dunno but they aren't using him to destroy people every week which means they are doing it wrong.

but i mean THANK GOD we get elite vs death triangle seven times in like seven weeks

prob think if they have too many big powerhouses, pun intended, that they'll end up with the title division being overly dominated by them in the same way WWEs is.

This reeks of Chris Jericho trying to protect his own job :shifty:

not to say those matches haven't been fun but come on now

idk man jericho is one of my all time faves but you can get him the fuck off of my tv as things currently stand

Hey Im not complaining about that because I love DT and PAC is the best in the world.

If anything it just further highlights that AEW could basically rotate their roster every Dynamite like they did in the first couple of years. Even easier to do now with how much bigger the roster has gotten.

But it seems clear Tony feels the same guys need to be on every week and that just makes people even more susceptible to falling by the wayside.

Well if that’s the case, his first problem is that he shouldn’t be thinking of big, sweaty meat mountains as a niche. You can never have too many.