ref bump hilarious

PAC is the best in the world and has been for years.

@LJ

bullshit, that was 3

Tag match was whatever.... oh yeah, there's a women's match... I wonder if Lock Jaw will end up in Tay Conti's mouth....

Getting pretty late and getting tired.... not sure if I can make it to the end of the show but we shall see...

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

matt pulls the trigger on kenny

HANGMAN BABY

Excellent finish to an excellent match.

hangman heel turn on dark order LET'S GO lol

Yesssssss

Time for me to be settin sail back to port, evenin mateys.

As much as I like live discussing shows on TPWW it's nice to be so engaged in what I'm watching I don't spend much time talking mid-match.

Great PPV that entertained me throughout.

Wtf at Rebel's yelling after putting on the glove

Fuck what a flawless ending. Beating his former tag partner, the Bucks giving Hangman the approval he’s always wanted from them, embracing his new friends with the crowd giving him the huge ovation he deserved.

Masterful stuff. Three year story comes to an end, and it was a painful, awkward, and yet satisfying journey. Jesus christ this company rules.

And that is why long-term storytelling works when you do it in wrestling

Tremendous PPV. Awesome matches, great storytelling, and I’m still excited to see what comes next.

Great PPV. Love it.

MJF vs Darby was outstanding. Love FTR so much. Surprises. Good crowd. Pyro seemed better. Love special sets. Great main event story. Excited to see where they go.

Holy shit! What a great PPV!

I would say MJF/Darby was the match of the night, Hangman was the moment of the night and the low point was the Cody/Pac/Andrade/Malakai tag.

Women's match was alright... didn't think for a second that Tay would win, what with not being built up at all... but was a good showing from her....

Pretty tired now.... tapping out of this, gotta wake up for work early.... will continue tomorrow....

great show guys. Jungle boy theme is fun. Can someone please vote my ass out of the king of the forum tournament in the casual forum. thanks

He is correct, casual fans haven't existed for years

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">CM Punk says he doesn’t believe casual wrestling fans exist anymore. He believes <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEW</a> appeals to wrestling fans. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFullGear?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFullGear</a></p>&mdash; Jon Alba (@JonAlba) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonAlba/status/1459758166502170633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

by that logic the aew product doesnt appeal to the majority of wrestling fans

Fucking hyped, amazing show, loved the main event. All in on Hangman at this point. Wow!

Loved the hype video before as well. WWE in the past were undisputed kings of the pre match hype video but that was sick. Hangmans line at the end gave me chills.

All the Main event missed was Hangman kicking out of a OWA but Omega kicking out of it was a nice nod tbh.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">OUCH! <a href="https://twitter.com/The_MJF?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@The_MJF</a> drops <a href="https://twitter.com/DarbyAllin?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@DarbyAllin</a> right on the spine - Order <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AEWFullGear?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AEWFullGear</a> NOW: <a href="https://t.co/Igw7g12yxR">https://t.co/Igw7g12yxR</a> <a href="https://t.co/ienulSEaZG">pic.twitter.com/ienulSEaZG</a></p>&mdash; All Elite Wrestling (@AEW) <a href="https://twitter.com/AEW/status/1459692447911587840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

i figured jay would go back to impact good tony picked him up.

Was gonna basically post the same thing

MJF vs. Darby and the main event were my fav matches. The Cody tag match felt like a waste of time and felt like a match thrown together to get those guys on the card

Women's match wasn't that good also imo

MJF vs Darby set the scene for them as the Flair vs. Sting of AEW and I’m here for it.

:y:

:lol:

This is easily one of the most forced and labored stories I’ve seen in all of fiction. You have to squint to make it work.

Well, it fit into the fan fic that one guy wrote, so good for them?

Seriously, I am happy for Hangman finally having his moment. Now, can they follow up?

Spoiler: No. They followed up CM Punk’s debut with Matt Hardy vs. Orange Cassidy. Page might get one good showing this week, then he’ll be drinking with The Dark Order and dressing up again.

If Dolph Ziegler wins the Rumble or the Elimination Chamber to go against Big E at WrestleMania, are people going to call it a 10 year long story?

You`re a dumb guy

I love the wild leaps Noid makes. Haha the best. Love him.

lmao

:| That isn’t how th...

Ya know, I’m not gonna make this another attempt to explain Noid’s broken brain to him. I’m gonna focus on the greatness that occurred last night...

Good ol’ TK working with the TPWW Thursday Night Watch-along to bring in one of our top stars in Baron Von Raschke. I expect this to be beneficial to both parties. Congrats to AEW and congrats to TPWW!

That’s what they did, hombre. The story of that Rampage was CM Punk’s debut and their first impression on their next show was Matt Hardy vs. Orange Cassidy. Stop being an apologist. I’m not wrong and the story of this company’s declining ratings is going to back me up on this.

That’s not true at all. It’s Punk drinking the Kool-Aid, being a company guy and justifying this promotion not being able to hook people other than the people who were always going to be there.

Smart response. I’m not the one breaking my neck generating white noise for a couple of hundred thousand fans who still cling onto this shit in hopes it somehow becomes relevant.

AEW is like community theatre. If something good happens, you’re allowed to appreciate it’s actually good. But if something bad happens, you’re not supposed to point out that the dowdy mother of four can’t act.

Sounds like a fun show. Glad you guys had fun.

Also, Lock Jaw posting from an alternate timeline remains one of the best gimmicks on here.

What a f'n show! Incredible match after match. If I had to pick my top matches of the night I'd probably say Kenny/Hangman, Punk/Kingston, FTR/Bros and MJF/Darby. But still outside of that it was incredible match after match. The street fight wasn't amazing but it was pretty fun and Von Raske's spot was awesome. Another bomb ass AEW ppv.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Honestly that felt like the end of chapter 1 of AEW</p>&mdash; .�� (@OneeWingedAngel) <a href="https://twitter.com/OneeWingedAngel/status/1459850617149612041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 14, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Onto Chapter 11.

Seriously, fans on the internet will just say anything. It was a new chapter when CM Punk debuted. It was a new chapter when Danielson signed. It’s the end of a chapter now. When Thunder Rosa beats Britt Baker it will be the end of Act II. It’s way over the top.

We know, everyone can see the crap you put on here, anything at all.

I don't know how you could have a wrestling show much better than that. AEW PPV's are blowing away anything in wrestling history as far as event entertainment quality and overall awesomeness.

Just like they say AEW is the home of wrestling and AEW is wrestling.

AEW is killing it up and down the card while honoring legends we all love constantly in a very appreciative manor and creating new wrestling stars for the future.

Who cares about to casual audience, like Punk said, it's dead.

blowing away anything in wrestling history lol

Baron treating one of today’s young, metrosexual fancy boys like an 80’s jobber and reminding the world how it’s done is certainly an all-time wrestling highlight and may go down as a major turning point in the business.

There is a God. And his name is Tomohiro Ishii.

Ok, continuing to watch this now... picking it up with Punk/Kingston....

Starting to turn around on Eddie Kingston a bit after just hating him.... his gear is still just terrible, though....

CM Shorts is here! Keeping us on our toes

Lol CM Punk getting booed

Oh no at unnecessary blood already so soon into the match....

Smh at profanity being yelled... plus the amount of middle fingers....

That match was kinda.... just weird. Did not connect at all... felt like... dunno.... not smart enough to say why

Probably Punk's worst showing since his return

Oh yeah, this match now... Dan Lambert time baby

Santana and Ortiz facepaint continually getting worse.... wish they would knock it off and go back to no paint....

V distracting by giant mole/growth on the side of Ethan Page's head....

Smh at the fans chanting a swear.... won't somebody please think of the children....

Junior Del/Dos Santos almost killing himself with a standing moonsault... but got guts to try I guess

Nice human centipede submission from Santana/Ortiz on Paige/Scorpio

I hope Baron con Rachske (sp?) puts the iron claw on someone in this match....

baronconraschkes

Sammy with a Swanton Fall off the ladder... nice

Nice.... iron claw being applied as I Hope's...

Did Santana just kill some fans with that dive into the crowd

Is this like the anniversary of Eddie's death or something.... like the third Eddie tribute tonight by someone....

That was very chaotic, too much for the cameras/director to handle at times... but overall was fun.... better than the earlier street fight I think..... or falls count anywhere or whatever that was...

Jay Lethal is here!!! Is he still doing the Macho Man tribute gimmick? Kevin Nash did his work good!!!

Jay Lethal here to add to the bloated roster... but he is a good hire. Just need to start firing guys to make room.

Time for the main event that I have like zero hype for! Woooo!

Smh at the encouraging of a swear word in his catchphrase....

But it was like the only good promo/moment he had in the buildup to this....

Can't tell what fans are chanting... sounded like "watermelon"

Match is good so far technically..... but surprised at how little I really care about this match or either of these guys....

Keep checking the time on this video to see how much is left in the show...

Biting people's faces seems like a "common move" in AEW.....

Smh more middle fingers and verbal f bombs....

Hangman wins. Ok. The right move in this case would have been for Miro to win earlier so he can take the belt off Hangman in his first defense. Then you can actually try to build up Hangman a bit before giving him the belt a second time.

Dark Order intolerable.

Not sure what I'd call the match of the night.... maybe Lucha Bros/FTR which wasn't even one of the ones I was actually interested in seeing... kinda forgot about all the matches I watched yesterday....

:lol: This is my new favorite gimmick.

Yeah the event was November 13th (anniversary of his passing) in the same city he passed in.

Either way, he seems like the most universally beloved dead wrestler of them all

Oh it's a shoot brother, no gimmick needed.

AEW is producing everything you actually write about on these pages.

They are developing new stars and working with unknown talents, highlighting legendary workers in a useful way while building or rebuilding damage done by WWE. AEW is curating a growing audience while constantly staying true to their core base of fans. We have stories that develop over years and stories that are settled in weeks time, the matches themselves always become the most important aspect of the stories. We have championships treated with respect and we have great tv matches every single week that build to even better matches the next.

It's just perfect the way it's going. AEW doesn't have to out draw WWE in any way to be a thriving company. AEW has great ticket sales weekly, big merch buisness and a great rights deal along with a strong PPV presence.

You wouldn't compare NJPW to WWE financially and say "oh well WWE makes a ton more money so they win". It doesn't matter because for years NJPW was just the best product and presentation in wrestling. They like AEW are just popping out great shows and making a good amount of money as they go forward.

AEW is absolutely putting up the best shows ever. Sure WWF and WCW have so many classics but AEW is delivering classics on a much more consistent basis.

Even when Dax main events against PAC it's a world class match.

Jordan forever!
Nerfect never!
Jordan forever!
Nerfect never!

The ratings would suggest otherwise.

Found myself really enjoying the PPV. Very entertaining show with a few lulls, but ultimately felt like I had my $50 worth and actually WANT to watch future shows.

They aren't hitting their historic peaks every week but nobody is, across the board in tv. Also this season has always been down for wrestling historically. And also AEW has been halted slightly each time TNT has bumped them to Saturday for NHL.

There is a ton of reasons to excuse some of AEW's ratings dip but to me that isn't the only barometer of how good they are doing or the deciding factor in their success or failures.

The only people who should be worried about the ratings is Time Warner, and seeing as they just gave them an extra hour on Fridays, gave them a contract extension and a raise to move to TBS and are approving live tv specials ala clash of the champions, I’d say AEW is doing extremely well.

AEW fans have set up the narrative enough that using evidence seems “mean.”

No, they’re not producing the content I talk about on this forum. Don’t put words in my mouth.

They’re not developing stars. This would suggest they have fresh faces that are drawing money. Adam Page won the belt. Yippie. They ruined that for me a long time ago. He’s been a clown for the better part of the year, and has largely been a geek who doesn’t believe in himself. I’m not buying.

Apart from that, who is a star? MJF? Darby Allin? MJF loses his heat constantly and was projected to be a World Champion by now and he feels as mid-card as ever. Darby has been good at times, but feels way below being a sincere main eventer.

This idea that AEW makes stars is a construct, just like them treating tag teams better and women as equal to the men.

The stories in AEW are weak. Omega/Page was horrible. Just because you can earmark some dates when certain events happened, doesn’t make it a good story. Omega was uninspiring as World Champion, Adam Page was never hotter than he was his first day in the company. Blah. And so many stories are just dropped for no reason. Lots of things happen with no sense behind them. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

AEW is not growing an audience, lol. Rampage has lost about half its viewership and Dynamite has slipped back towards its numbers when it was opposed by NXT. 1.4-1.6 million people watched wrestling on a Wednesday. It wasn’t impressive, but it was what it was. Now you get 900k people watching. And shrinking.

Great TV matches? The wrestling in AEW is largely white noise. Even the good stuff, hypothetically, usually lacks context and suffers because of this. It’s a bunch of movez. Where is the psychology and the drama? If you enjoy AEW’s matches? Cool. Good for you. But it’s highly subjective. There are lots of people who can’t get through this grizzle.

They run in the red, dude. We don’t know how “great” any of their business is besides the ticket sales. PPV buys and rights fees are debatable and depend on your perspective. I’m not impressed by 100k buys. Sorry, but I’m not. And I’m not impressed by $45 million per year to generate 3 hours of content.

They are riding a return of people to venues and are drying out that hardcore fan well. They have already stopped selling out. They are going to find it harder to sell tickets, not easier.

I don’t compare WWE to New Japan and say they win because they’ve got more money. The Khans have more capital than the lot of them. I saw AEW sucks because its content is juvenile, silly, insulting and ineffective. I use metrics to gauge how successful they actually are at appealing to fans. Most people who have ever checked them out have tuned them back out. This product is out of touch.

Classics is, again, subjective. I have been told that Full Gear was a classic show. That sounds forced as shit, and the show itself actually sounds rather boring. WWF and WCW put on shows that people could get excited about, and actually grew interest in wrestling from where it was.

Most of your post was logical and on point, but they are not cultivating a fanbase. They debuted against NXT with a 1.4 rating, they have never once done better. They got close a few times once NXT moved to Tuesdays, but even that is far in the distance.

In fact if they fail to draw a million viewers Wednesday, that would be a month straight of unopposed, in their normal timeslot. That is not cultivating an audience, that is eradicating an audience.

Cultivating an audience does not mean running them off. Between that and calling them “perfect” and what have you is what made me think this was a gimmick.

I agree with Noid, AEW is outstanding and Noid professing his love for all things AEW is the most logical face turn in TPWW history.

Yeah this here.

I think wrestling has always struggled in the fall when it comes to ratings so I don't see the under 1mill lull AEW is on quite realistically "eradicating their audience". Also the truth is that when they go on Saturdays for a week or more is definitely hurts their ratings in the following weeks which we've seen as well.

The initial 1.4 was a good example of what they ratings could be but yes obviously AEW didn't hook all of those people from the beginning. Just like how WWE used to get over a 5.0 many years ago consistently, it turned out not to be for everyone and the ratings have gone down for like 20 years.

But still, obviously there is value in the numbers that WWE draws, and what Dynamite draws too otherwise they wouldn't be making a ridiculous amount of money for the shows.

Rampage I think is hurt by mediocre match making, it's usually a good show but sometimes the matches announced don't feel "must see", where as Dynamite is treated a lot better in regard to match quality.

Anyway, in ratings you can't help but compare WWE and AEW. And WWE isn't that far ahead of AEW right now, and for AEW that's a moral win and possibly a big financial one when contract negotiations are due for the next TV deal.