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Old 11-14-2021, 03:29 AM   #1
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I love the wild leaps Noid makes. Haha the best. Love him.
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Old 11-14-2021, 09:06 AM   #2
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AEW is like community theatre. If something good happens, you’re allowed to appreciate it’s actually good. But if something bad happens, you’re not supposed to point out that the dowdy mother of four can’t act.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:33 AM   #3
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Sounds like a fun show. Glad you guys had fun.

Also, Lock Jaw posting from an alternate timeline remains one of the best gimmicks on here.
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Old 11-14-2021, 10:48 AM   #4
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What a f'n show! Incredible match after match. If I had to pick my top matches of the night I'd probably say Kenny/Hangman, Punk/Kingston, FTR/Bros and MJF/Darby. But still outside of that it was incredible match after match. The street fight wasn't amazing but it was pretty fun and Von Raske's spot was awesome. Another bomb ass AEW ppv.
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Onto Chapter 11.

Seriously, fans on the internet will just say anything. It was a new chapter when CM Punk debuted. It was a new chapter when Danielson signed. It’s the end of a chapter now. When Thunder Rosa beats Britt Baker it will be the end of Act II. It’s way over the top.
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Seriously, fans on the internet will just say anything.
We know, everyone can see the crap you put on here, anything at all.
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Old 11-14-2021, 04:04 PM   #8
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I don't know how you could have a wrestling show much better than that. AEW PPV's are blowing away anything in wrestling history as far as event entertainment quality and overall awesomeness.

Just like they say AEW is the home of wrestling and AEW is wrestling.

AEW is killing it up and down the card while honoring legends we all love constantly in a very appreciative manor and creating new wrestling stars for the future.

Who cares about to casual audience, like Punk said, it's dead.
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Old 11-15-2021, 03:40 AM   #9
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I don't know how you could have a wrestling show much better than that. AEW PPV's are blowing away anything in wrestling history as far as event entertainment quality and overall awesomeness.

Just like they say AEW is the home of wrestling and AEW is wrestling.

AEW is killing it up and down the card while honoring legends we all love constantly in a very appreciative manor and creating new wrestling stars for the future.

Who cares about to casual audience, like Punk said, it's dead.
This is my new favorite gimmick.
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Old 11-15-2021, 12:38 PM   #10
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This is my new favorite gimmick.
Oh it's a shoot brother, no gimmick needed.

AEW is producing everything you actually write about on these pages.

They are developing new stars and working with unknown talents, highlighting legendary workers in a useful way while building or rebuilding damage done by WWE. AEW is curating a growing audience while constantly staying true to their core base of fans. We have stories that develop over years and stories that are settled in weeks time, the matches themselves always become the most important aspect of the stories. We have championships treated with respect and we have great tv matches every single week that build to even better matches the next.

It's just perfect the way it's going. AEW doesn't have to out draw WWE in any way to be a thriving company. AEW has great ticket sales weekly, big merch buisness and a great rights deal along with a strong PPV presence.

You wouldn't compare NJPW to WWE financially and say "oh well WWE makes a ton more money so they win". It doesn't matter because for years NJPW was just the best product and presentation in wrestling. They like AEW are just popping out great shows and making a good amount of money as they go forward.

AEW is absolutely putting up the best shows ever. Sure WWF and WCW have so many classics but AEW is delivering classics on a much more consistent basis.

Even when Dax main events against PAC it's a world class match.
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The ratings would suggest otherwise.
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Old 11-15-2021, 02:37 PM   #12
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The ratings would suggest otherwise.
AEW fans have set up the narrative enough that using evidence seems “mean.”
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Oh it's a shoot brother, no gimmick needed.

AEW is producing everything you actually write about on these pages.

They are developing new stars and working with unknown talents, highlighting legendary workers in a useful way while building or rebuilding damage done by WWE. AEW is curating a growing audience while constantly staying true to their core base of fans. We have stories that develop over years and stories that are settled in weeks time, the matches themselves always become the most important aspect of the stories. We have championships treated with respect and we have great tv matches every single week that build to even better matches the next.

It's just perfect the way it's going. AEW doesn't have to out draw WWE in any way to be a thriving company. AEW has great ticket sales weekly, big merch buisness and a great rights deal along with a strong PPV presence.

You wouldn't compare NJPW to WWE financially and say "oh well WWE makes a ton more money so they win". It doesn't matter because for years NJPW was just the best product and presentation in wrestling. They like AEW are just popping out great shows and making a good amount of money as they go forward.

AEW is absolutely putting up the best shows ever. Sure WWF and WCW have so many classics but AEW is delivering classics on a much more consistent basis.

Even when Dax main events against PAC it's a world class match.
No, they’re not producing the content I talk about on this forum. Don’t put words in my mouth.

They’re not developing stars. This would suggest they have fresh faces that are drawing money. Adam Page won the belt. Yippie. They ruined that for me a long time ago. He’s been a clown for the better part of the year, and has largely been a geek who doesn’t believe in himself. I’m not buying.

Apart from that, who is a star? MJF? Darby Allin? MJF loses his heat constantly and was projected to be a World Champion by now and he feels as mid-card as ever. Darby has been good at times, but feels way below being a sincere main eventer.

This idea that AEW makes stars is a construct, just like them treating tag teams better and women as equal to the men.

The stories in AEW are weak. Omega/Page was horrible. Just because you can earmark some dates when certain events happened, doesn’t make it a good story. Omega was uninspiring as World Champion, Adam Page was never hotter than he was his first day in the company. Blah. And so many stories are just dropped for no reason. Lots of things happen with no sense behind them. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

AEW is not growing an audience, lol. Rampage has lost about half its viewership and Dynamite has slipped back towards its numbers when it was opposed by NXT. 1.4-1.6 million people watched wrestling on a Wednesday. It wasn’t impressive, but it was what it was. Now you get 900k people watching. And shrinking.

Great TV matches? The wrestling in AEW is largely white noise. Even the good stuff, hypothetically, usually lacks context and suffers because of this. It’s a bunch of movez. Where is the psychology and the drama? If you enjoy AEW’s matches? Cool. Good for you. But it’s highly subjective. There are lots of people who can’t get through this grizzle.

They run in the red, dude. We don’t know how “great” any of their business is besides the ticket sales. PPV buys and rights fees are debatable and depend on your perspective. I’m not impressed by 100k buys. Sorry, but I’m not. And I’m not impressed by $45 million per year to generate 3 hours of content.

They are riding a return of people to venues and are drying out that hardcore fan well. They have already stopped selling out. They are going to find it harder to sell tickets, not easier.

I don’t compare WWE to New Japan and say they win because they’ve got more money. The Khans have more capital than the lot of them. I saw AEW sucks because its content is juvenile, silly, insulting and ineffective. I use metrics to gauge how successful they actually are at appealing to fans. Most people who have ever checked them out have tuned them back out. This product is out of touch.

Classics is, again, subjective. I have been told that Full Gear was a classic show. That sounds forced as shit, and the show itself actually sounds rather boring. WWF and WCW put on shows that people could get excited about, and actually grew interest in wrestling from where it was.
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No, they’re not producing the content I talk about on this forum. Don’t put words in my mouth.

They’re not developing stars. This would suggest they have fresh faces that are drawing money. Adam Page won the belt. Yippie. They ruined that for me a long time ago. He’s been a clown for the better part of the year, and has largely been a geek who doesn’t believe in himself. I’m not buying.

Apart from that, who is a star? MJF? Darby Allin? MJF loses his heat constantly and was projected to be a World Champion by now and he feels as mid-card as ever. Darby has been good at times, but feels way below being a sincere main eventer.

This idea that AEW makes stars is a construct, just like them treating tag teams better and women as equal to the men.

The stories in AEW are weak. Omega/Page was horrible. Just because you can earmark some dates when certain events happened, doesn’t make it a good story. Omega was uninspiring as World Champion, Adam Page was never hotter than he was his first day in the company. Blah. And so many stories are just dropped for no reason. Lots of things happen with no sense behind them. Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining.

AEW is not growing an audience, lol. Rampage has lost about half its viewership and Dynamite has slipped back towards its numbers when it was opposed by NXT. 1.4-1.6 million people watched wrestling on a Wednesday. It wasn’t impressive, but it was what it was. Now you get 900k people watching. And shrinking.

Great TV matches? The wrestling in AEW is largely white noise. Even the good stuff, hypothetically, usually lacks context and suffers because of this. It’s a bunch of movez. Where is the psychology and the drama? If you enjoy AEW’s matches? Cool. Good for you. But it’s highly subjective. There are lots of people who can’t get through this grizzle.

They run in the red, dude. We don’t know how “great” any of their business is besides the ticket sales. PPV buys and rights fees are debatable and depend on your perspective. I’m not impressed by 100k buys. Sorry, but I’m not. And I’m not impressed by $45 million per year to generate 3 hours of content.

They are riding a return of people to venues and are drying out that hardcore fan well. They have already stopped selling out. They are going to find it harder to sell tickets, not easier.

I don’t compare WWE to New Japan and say they win because they’ve got more money. The Khans have more capital than the lot of them. I saw AEW sucks because its content is juvenile, silly, insulting and ineffective. I use metrics to gauge how successful they actually are at appealing to fans. Most people who have ever checked them out have tuned them back out. This product is out of touch.

Classics is, again, subjective. I have been told that Full Gear was a classic show. That sounds forced as shit, and the show itself actually sounds rather boring. WWF and WCW put on shows that people could get excited about, and actually grew interest in wrestling from where it was.
I agree with Noid, AEW is outstanding and Noid professing his love for all things AEW is the most logical face turn in TPWW history.
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Baron treating one of today’s young, metrosexual fancy boys like an 80’s jobber and reminding the world how it’s done is certainly an all-time wrestling highlight and may go down as a major turning point in the business.
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Ok, continuing to watch this now... picking it up with Punk/Kingston....
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Starting to turn around on Eddie Kingston a bit after just hating him.... his gear is still just terrible, though....
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:20 PM   #22
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Smh at profanity being yelled... plus the amount of middle fingers....
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:24 PM   #23
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That match was kinda.... just weird. Did not connect at all... felt like... dunno.... not smart enough to say why
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:25 PM   #24
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Probably Punk's worst showing since his return
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:27 PM   #25
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Oh yeah, this match now... Dan Lambert time baby
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:30 PM   #26
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Santana and Ortiz facepaint continually getting worse.... wish they would knock it off and go back to no paint....
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:31 PM   #27
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V distracting by giant mole/growth on the side of Ethan Page's head....
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:31 PM   #28
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Smh at the fans chanting a swear.... won't somebody please think of the children....
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:37 PM   #29
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Junior Del/Dos Santos almost killing himself with a standing moonsault... but got guts to try I guess
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:42 PM   #30
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Nice human centipede submission from Santana/Ortiz on Paige/Scorpio
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I hope Baron con Rachske (sp?) puts the iron claw on someone in this match....
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Sammy with a Swanton Fall off the ladder... nice
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Nice.... iron claw being applied as I Hope's...
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Did Santana just kill some fans with that dive into the crowd
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Old 11-14-2021, 07:51 PM   #36
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Is this like the anniversary of Eddie's death or something.... like the third Eddie tribute tonight by someone....
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Is this like the anniversary of Eddie's death or something.... like the third Eddie tribute tonight by someone....
Yeah the event was November 13th (anniversary of his passing) in the same city he passed in.
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That was very chaotic, too much for the cameras/director to handle at times... but overall was fun.... better than the earlier street fight I think..... or falls count anywhere or whatever that was...
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Jay Lethal is here!!! Is he still doing the Macho Man tribute gimmick? Kevin Nash did his work good!!!
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Jay Lethal here to add to the bloated roster... but he is a good hire. Just need to start firing guys to make room.
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